Comments on: The Saturday Night Artifice http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995 Contemporary and classic British TV Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:09:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: MartS http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-3561 MartS Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:49:28 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-3561 Part of your idea sounds like the first incarnation of the Chris Evans exec produced Lottery show Red Alert.

That didn’t work as there were too many people in the studio and the games were basic and only enjoyable if you were in the studio. With more tv audience interaction (other than holding the pink lottery ticket in front of them during the draws) it may have stood a small chance of working.

That said, having the voice of darts Sid Wadell doing the lottery draw voiceover for a couple of weeks before being replaced by Alan Dedicote was in my opinion an the only idea of genius, in a pool of lame ideas.

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By: Glenn Reuben http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-3560 Glenn Reuben Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:16:38 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-3560 Has anybody given any more thought to this? I still quite like the idea of having a big shopping centre or fictional high street act as the “studio” in the same way it did for Noel’s House Party or The Big Breakfast. And like that latter show, it could fun from 7pm to 9pm to make it “event” television every Saturday night. Something like “Saturday Street” would be a good title, and you could have interviews, games, hidden camera stuff, competitions…all sorts. The only problem is cost, but if they can do it for other shows, I see no reason why this can’t work!

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By: Nick H http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-2490 Nick H Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:00:26 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-2490 Has anyone learned from Bruce Forsythe’s Big Night?

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By: MartS http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-2488 MartS Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:58:01 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-2488 And I read today on Broadcastnow, that it’s terminal for Totally Saturday.

What a surprise, but Norton faced a uphill struggle to make this work. I strongly believe there were two overideing factors at work here – and one of the kneecappers of its lack of sucess was forged over 10 years ago.

Totally Saturday is a quick paced mix of mini-formats – but without a hook other than the umbrella of the show to make anything stick it actually resembles less of a format and more of a collection of random ideas all linked by one man.
Plus, any show these days that goes for this approach reminds viewers of the slow televised death of Noels House Party.

Ant and Dec just about got away with it because in the early series of ‘Takeaway’ they played the ‘win the ads’ show finale feature very strongly and hung the rest of the features around the show to build upto it. That isn’t present in any part of
TS and although the holiday game is the show stopper feature – it’s barely mentioned during the show by Norton.
The inconsistancy from show to show is glaring. One week the headling music act closes the show, next week it’s the theme and credit roll. It’s as though the main selling point (the music guest) was dropped because the rest of the throwaway rubbish overan. Oh yeah, and if the Hampsters wheel game was done as an ironic satire of the past features of Saturday night telly of old, then it would have been amusing. But its not – and as a result it looks childish, under developed and worse, unfunny.

The other one problem is partly Norton (but not directly) himself and delusion from the BBC.

Somewhere along the line someone at TVC must have thought that we was ready for primetime Saturday Night because of his three previous outings in the same slot with the Find a West End Star trilogy.
However, on that show he was basically an autocue reading drone with only small interaction with the studio audience and more between Lord Lloyd-Webber and judges panel and with the singers which was crafted during the rehersals.
Plus it wasn’t a format built around Norton – finding the star was the selling point, not Graham being the star.

In TS it’s all about him and appears on screen to be on the hoof, and although I don’t doubt that the production team haven’t thought of all avenues when an sting on a viewers is aired, he does look slightly worried it’s all going to crash around his ears.
Presenting a nice line in studio audience ambush embarrasment and making ad-lib knob and dildo jokes to middle aged female celebs and actresses on his late night chatshow is not problem, and is what he is brilliant at, but you can see the pressure of being the face of shinyfloor prime time family viewing Saturday Night BBC One.

No wonder it’s all quickly unravelled piece by piece. Norton deserves better. Saturday Night is not the place to find it.

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By: Glenn Reuben http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-2420 Glenn Reuben Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:15:09 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-2420 Rob, nice thoughts, except I just realised that the house theme might be a little bit on the old side. Perhaps it could still be the same studio set, but a different setup. Possibly something like a high street shopping centre after closing time, with each shop completely different (maybe a secret wine bar or club in the basement?). The entire thing could be hosted by the “security guard” or “cleaner” or something. Just some ideas to throw out there. My main argument is that it should be done with memorable characters (ideally, relative unknowns playing them) which would find an audience, instead of B-list celebrities. The studio set would also give us some sort of structure, albeit a very loose one. Thoughts, everybody?

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By: Rob Williams http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-2410 Rob Williams Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:13:48 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-2410 How about a new version of either 321 or Ultra Quiz? Both groundbreaking and with a twist. Saying that Glenn’s idea sounds great and would be a laugh, perhaps a Saturday night version of Number 73 or Dick and Dom in da Bungalow…

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By: Glenn Reuben http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-2397 Glenn Reuben Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:31:49 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-2397 Well with Noel’s House Party, that felt like something where there was a bit of excitement involved – finding out who was at the door, for example, even if it was Mr Blobby. The only idea I could think of would be to take the house used for Finders Keepers and use that as a giant studio, with people acting as characters who are part of a family (maybe one is “out” and actually goes into town to find people for stunts?). Sort of like The Kumars at No. 42, only a bit bigger. That said, it would cost a lot, but it may at least some sort of structure. Other than that, no idea.

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By: Jack Kibble-White http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-2376 Jack Kibble-White Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:35:23 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-2376 I think the GFAL-style shows (of which Totally Saturday is one) can work on Saturday night, but I think they need to be given a bit of a spin to make them feel a bit more fashionable and credible. So in a nutshell I think I am saying it’s more of a presentation issue, rather than a content issue.

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By: gerard wiley http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-2343 gerard wiley Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:49:10 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-2343 You forgot to mention John Barrowman’s utterly woeful Tonight’s the Night.

There are no new formats etc etc. But which dormant formats to revive? The Game For a Laugh-style shows are the future right now as BBC1 and ITV1 both apparently have up-coming hidden camera shows (Five even reportedly planning to revive GFAL itself).

ITV also expected to do a Surprise Surprise-type show with Cheryl Cole. Whither Cilla? Would have been heartwarming, recession TV to get her hosting a revived Surprise.

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By: Coolcat http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995&cpage=1#comment-2342 Coolcat Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:24:47 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6995#comment-2342 Passport to Paradise didn’t work because it was far too rigid a format – same rather dull, not-much-point games every week – and because that’s not J & D’s thing. They work together brilliantly when being allowed to bounce off each other, free-form, with just the lightest of formats: a paper review, a flimsy chatshow, whatever. Give them a 5.45pm sofa chat where they get to play games with the guests, be cheeky with some members of the public, would have gone down a storm – think Late Late Breakfast Show series 1, with a dash of Big Breakfast tomfoolery thrown in. Yes, invite an audience, but give it a much more intimate feel. But at 7.30, you’re asking it to be the centrepiece of Saturday night, rather than a curtain raiser – a different sort of beast.
Guess what? History’s repeating itself! Graham Norton’s being given exactly the same strait-jacket. He should be doing his BBC Two show on Saturday night BBC One in the old Parky slot, but no, now he’s the centrepiece with the tired format being re-heated. And it’s bombing again because it’s not HIS thing either.

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