Comments on: Where we do what we want http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809 Contemporary and classic British TV Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:09:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Chris Diamond http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1915 Chris Diamond Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:57:21 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1915 Well, yes, it was ludicrous to stitch wings on to her back, as Warren Clarke’s character pointed out. Then he organised for Dunford to kill Dawson, which rather emphasised that point.
As a treatment of police corruption it was by no means perfect – since it’s often not anything like as organised as that – but it was effective, in my view, if only because it was shown at all. And it created an excellent atmosphere of stifling menace, where even the honest coppers, like Considine, have nowhere to run let alone rent boys and damaged wives.

I’d agree about the lack of development but I’d say that was more to do with the timescale. The comparable scenarios of corruption in Our Friends In the North – Soho and vice cops – was dealt with more satisfactorily because it was able to take the time to take in the sweeping away of the old guard by the new police management in the late 80s. If it had been stuck with a ten year lifespan like Red Riding, it wouldn’t have managed to demonstrate that as well.

I agree it was far from perfect but I’d still say it was by far the best drama that’s been on telly for several years.

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By: Steve Brennan http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1897 Steve Brennan Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:26:46 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1897 The point is surely that no one, no matter how securely they may have believed the police were in their pocket, would be as blatant as that. Why didn’t he just carve “John Dawson woz ere” into her back? And the whole stitching of swan’s wings onto the bodies was itself ludicrous – the kind of noirishly lurid ‘serial killer signature’ that never actually occurs in reality.

And did it really succeed brilliantly as a treatment of police corruption? It was hardly subtle. They all stand around in a room sipping champagne boasting about how rich they’re going to become and how the north is (pretty laughably) “where we do what we want”. For me, outside of Morrissey (and his arc was entirely predictable) there was no character development, no rhyme or reason to it all – just David Peace’s view that the West Yorks police was comprised entirely of money grabbing, murdering, ugly chain smoking bastards. All very atmospheric and entertainingly bleak, but ultimately shallow and unimaginative. I’d have been more interested in seeing the force slowly becoming corrupt and eaten away from the inside, rather than being instantly introduced to ready-made regional villains.

I enjoyed the series (and I live in Yorkshire so it gave it an extra zing for me) but only as a stylish diversion for a couple of hours. It was no masterpiece and I doubt very much if in years to come it will be remembered as a great drama in the way that Our Friends in the North or Cracker is.

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By: Chris Diamond http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1882 Chris Diamond Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:03:48 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1882 I don’t think the criticism of Dawson’s character is really fair. The point, surely, isn’t that the police didn’t look at the swan fixation of Dawson and fail to connect it to him, but rather that they knew perfectly well that it was Dawson and initially did nothing to stop him. They then had Eddie do their dirty work for them as they needed Dawson out of the way.

During flashbacks we’re shown that Morrisey and Clarke saw the girl had swan’s wings stitched on to her back at the site of her discovery and commenting “look what he’s done” but also at the meeting above the wedding when it was decided – with Jim Carter in attendance – that Dawson had been “putting personal pleasure before business” and had to be dealt with.

The crux of the plot, as I understood it, was police corruption and it succeeded brilliantly in that respect. The murders, paedophilia were tributary to that.
As it goes, I felt episode 2 was the weaker of the trilogy, with episode 1 the best. And I haven’t been compelled to watch anything as much since Our Friends In the North.

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By: Nick H http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1864 Nick H Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:39:36 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1864 The Noughties: Popular drama OK, Serial drama not so OK…

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By: Ian Jones http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1863 Ian Jones Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:38:19 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1863 In the last 10 years there’s also been In A Land Of Plenty, which I still think is one of the best British dramas I’ve ever seen: http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=5413

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By: Jack Kibble-White http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1861 Jack Kibble-White Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:31:19 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1861 Aaargh Steve is making me like Red Riding less. Valid points I think, particularly the one about Mark Addy’s character running around the dungeon. I will take issue with you on saying that all “it really boiled down to was that Sean Bean and Peter Mullan were child-killers and the police turned a blind eye for money.” Well yes and no. For a start, wasn’t Mark Addy’s character’s dad (phew) a copper AND a member of the ring? Anyway, even if it does boil down in the way you suggest, I am not sure that’s a problem.

In making my original post, I was actually referring to the lack of good drama series in the Noughties rather than post- Holding On. Boy A was indeed excellent but was a one-off, rather than an episodic drama (which is what I was getting at).

I haven’t seen some of the dramas mentioned in this thread, but did catch Eureka Street (and indeed there is a review of it here: http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6119). It was pretty good, but didn’t it all go a bit rubbish towards the end when Chuckie became famous? Also it txed in 1999.

Did anyone watch the Peter Flannery / John Simm drama on C4 a few months ago? Was that any good?

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By: Stuart F http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1854 Stuart F Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:25:50 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1854 Red Riding is the best thing Channel 4 has done in ages. But I don’t understand why it was shot in such a wide aspect ratio. The cinematography was astonishingly beautiful but it only took up about half of my TV screen. Also, it would be nice if Channel Four could do a drama that didn’t involve paedophilia, child murder, or prostitution. Boy A was really good, and Longford, but everything is just tainted with that bit of sensationalism (and the fact that by watching it you’re endorsing another series of Big Brother). Bring back 80s Brookside in all its horrible mundaneness.

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By: Gordon Ridout http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1850 Gordon Ridout Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:58:29 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1850 I presumed that we can’t count OFITN, the first series of The Lakes or Hillsborough as they didn’t air in the last ten years (and one isn’t a serial). If the rules are that it has to be since Holding On, I would ask for Underworld (Channel 4) to be considered, even though the critics didn’t rate it at the time. Eureka Street is also well worth consideration, as is The Second Coming. Also, if we could stretch the time-frame to a few months before Holding On, I would wholeheartedly nominate Born To Run. However, as only one of these has ever been released on VHS or DVD, I do realise that my critical judgement hardly correlates with the view of the majority.

Oh, and it’s an adapation – or some of it is – but I’d also give an honourable mention to the Bleasdale version of Oliver Twist.

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By: Nick H http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1849 Nick H Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:23:58 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1849 The Long Firm is one of the best British drama serials of recent years. And last year’s He Kills Coppers wasn’t too shabby either. For ITV at least…

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By: Graham Kibble-White http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809&cpage=1#comment-1847 Graham Kibble-White Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:48:48 +0000 http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=6809#comment-1847 My vote for a recent good quality drama – Party Animals.

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